• DoctorBoom
    User
    Member since August 22, 2019

    I got a question about linked accounts. I know some people that play battlefield 4 since day 1 have played with multiple accounts. For instance someone I know used other accounts when an admin on the server he played banned him since he didn't liked him. This player then used some other accounts which 1 of was a banned one (banned on a total different ip/country). Does this make him a cheater then? Even the stats on the banned account aren't hacker stats when that player used it. I know the banning policy of bf4db regarding linked accounts :

    Linked Accounts:

    • Accounts having overlapping IP and timestamp information will be considered a linked account. Player information streamed to the Service can be used for this purpose.

    • If an account is currently banned by BF4DB, all other accounts that are positively identified as a linked account will receive a ban for “Linked Account” as well. Similarly, if the main ban successfully appeals, all other alt bans will be lifted.

    • Accounts having the same Gravatar will be considered linked, and treated appropriately.

    But is it fair in those situations to link a player then? The main account of this player is totally clean, same as the stats when this player used these other accounts, but he can never appeal succesfully since he will be linked to this account anyway or am I wrong?


  • DoctorBoom
    Administrator
    Member since May 08, 2017

    We do not base our decision to ban on anyone else their judgement but our own. A ban on a stand-alone server isn't a reason for us to copy that. If that server owner reports the player he thinks is cheating to us we will review his evidence and act upon what it provided to us.

    If someone has multiple accounts of which one is banned by us for cheating, we will ban all the other accounts owned by him. Those bans are permanent and will not be removed unless the account originally banned for cheating is proven to be clean when appealed.

  • DoctorBoom
    User
    Member since August 22, 2019

    It's not about the owner thinking that player used cheats, which he wasn't also and even the admin admitted. It's about that player getting banned by that admin. What made the player use another account which he didn't owned but used a couple of times so he could still play there. Since the banned account he used instead, which was banned on an russian ip, will be linked anyway cause he can be linked since at least 1 time those accounts had the same ip (italian) on a much later date. Its about those players that can't succesfully claim those banned soldiers, since they don't own them and thus can't appeal. Yes the link is valid cause same ip one time, but ban for linked accounts isn't. Maybe you should let such players appeal with there main account since the originally banned account can't/won't be unbanned cause that ban was legit.


  • DoctorBoom
    Administrator
    Member since May 08, 2017


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    It's not about the owner thinking that player used cheats, which he wasn't also and even the admin admitted. It's about that player getting banned by that admin. What made the player use another account which he didn't owned but used a couple of times so he could still play there. Since the banned account he used instead, which was banned on an russian ip, will be linked anyway cause he can be linked since at least 1 time those accounts had the same ip (italian) on a much later date. Its about those players that can't succesfully claim those banned soldiers, since they don't own them and thus can't appeal. Yes the link is valid cause same ip one time, but ban for linked accounts isn't. Maybe you should let such players appeal with there main account since the originally banned account can't/won't be unbanned cause that ban was legit.


    DoctorBoom

    I think there is a bit of a miscommunication. We do not look at bans of individual server owners. We make our own judgements. So as long as a player isn't banned here he won't be linked to anything.


    If one can not claim the account he used, then indeed the ban won't be removed. If you decide to let someone else use your account you grant him access (bit like co-ownership). Who says that same account won't ever be given away again or that the owner will make the same mistake on another account? We always warn against account sharing and selling for this very reason.

  • DoctorBoom
    User
    Member since August 22, 2019

    Well thats why bans should be on ip's, the ip where the account was firstly made since that is the real owner. The ip where the cheats where done. And not to players/accounts linked to that banned account since that is another ip/country. Yes there is vpn, but there is many tools to detect if one is using vpn and block those connections
  • DoctorBoom
    Administrator
    Member since May 08, 2017


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    Well thats why bans should be on ip's, the ip where the account was firstly made since that is the real owner. The ip where the cheats where done. And not to players/accounts linked to that banned account since that is another ip/country.
    DoctorBoom

    So one can just go make a bunch of accounts at home, cheat his ass off on holiday somewhere in another country, then return home and go on like nothing happened? Just one example of how impractical that would be.

    Furthermore we see account sharing, selling and trading as a similar offence as cheating itself and thus it will be punished equally when it results into a ban caused by a user. It makes the biggest part of cheating possible so anything that facilitates it, the risks are all yours to take.


  • DoctorBoom
    Administrator
    Member since May 08, 2017


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    Well thats why bans should be on ip's, the ip where the account was firstly made since that is the real owner. The ip where the cheats where done. And not to players/accounts linked to that banned account since that is another ip/country. Yes there is vpn, but there is many tools to detect if one is using vpn and block those connections
    DoctorBoom

    Blocking VPN's is something to decide for the individual server owner. We won't block connections. We block accounts.


  • DoctorBoom
    Retired Staff
    Member since May 05, 2017

    Players can easily change IP’s and use VPN’s , which is why we don’t base bans just on IP’s unless a positive link can be made with other things. So if we ban Bob for cheating on an IP, he can just go change his IP. In countries where IP management is not great like Brazil and China, if Bob gets banned on an IP and changes if, someone else will get that IP and he’ll get banned too even if they’re innocent. 

  • DoctorBoom
    User
    Member since August 22, 2019

    So if one reports Bobs main account, even though that account is clean. He will be banned cause he used a banned account one time since his linked accounts will be looked at?

  • DoctorBoom
    Administrator
    Member since May 08, 2017


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    So if one reports Bobs main account, even though that account is clean. He will be banned cause he used a banned account one time since his linked accounts will be looked at?

    DoctorBoom
    If that other account (banned for cheating) was used by him, yes it might happen that his main, clean account gets banned.


  • DoctorBoom
    Administrator
    Member since January 04, 2018

    maxilpacoxx122 do not post in other people's appeal, thanks.