An admin said "To everyone who feels the need to express their opinion regarding untaso or any other cases - make a forum thread in another subsection of the website and discuss it freely there."

This is regarding the ban appeal of Untaso - https://bf4db.com/forum/thread/ban-appeal-5336

Here is the evidence in question - https://youtu.be/Um3wjcznd5c

I noticed some members had posts from that appeal that were deleted. I wanted to create this thread to allow for discussion on this case without violating the rules of BF4DB. 

It seems to me that there are only two options here.

Either he recorded himself cheating and then uploaded it to his public youtube channel. 

Or as he contends, he edited the video and processed it in such a way to make himself appear to be cheating.

Then uploaded it to his public youtube channel. 

Keectuan or others, what are your thoughts on this case? 

Before anyone posts here I'd like to warn you that free ranting in order to insult/tease one another will not be tolerated.

That being said, let's hope for some constructive talk.

For the sake of argument, let's say he can reproduce the effect of no recoil with simple editing techniques.

Wouldn't that raise the specter of whether forged videos could be uploaded as evidence? 

I could record one of you playing, do the untaso method, then bam you've got a no recoil ban.

So I wait on bated breath to see if he is able to show a side by side comparison. 

I am like 95% confident no editing technique is going to fully eliminate the LMG recoil and spread pattern because to my knowledge that's not how it works. Convince me otherwise, hence the request of the raw+edited footage

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In my opinion, lot of Japanese player use same edit technique even if they are pretty good player

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2h2oicMq8sg

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LcGOkaSVqzc

Are they all need to be banned?

Plus, untaso use max fov with 1280x1024 resolution stretch so that gain more less apparently recoil

P.S. I don't think editing their clip is considered as "ego"

Many players want their clips look nice

If editing their clip is ego, then Ascend clips like this are all ego?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?index=483&list=LLCOffon2-3t9Px7p_cCI3dw&v=cFyDB4s0LS0

Both of those videos have recoil though, untaso's video doesn't. 

I don't think anyone minds him editing them, or how many inches long his ego is. 

It's just that the recoil is missing in his videos, this community discussion was meant to get at the etiology of said no-recoily-ness. 

"And Burt's request is reasonable, but I think it is difficult in practice

Using this editing effect on long videos does not work

Will definitely fail

Volt's video can be submitted within 72 hours

Burt doesn't get the video she wants

Editing takes too long

It makes sense to use effects on good clips

But there is little point in using effects for dirty aim or bad recoil control"

since he wrote this it smells pretty much like bs talk for me.. also the japanese BF4 servers got rekt by a chinese DDoS attack?! 

>But there is little point in using effects for dirty aim or bad recoil control

That is literally what I am saying. I don't give a damn if you are making a montage where you kill a guy from behind making it look like the best thing that ever happened in your life. But editing the video the way by (let's assume so) manually removing frames where spread and/or recoil looks bad because you can't cope with the randomness mechanic of the game and/or your aim and recoil control is simply bad and it will look bad on your montage is just simply low and says a lot about the person doing that. If that is not padding your ego and showing skill where it doesn't exist I don't know what is. 

How is pulling down and having a high fov cheating now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTnnMS1j2l8 (excuse the fact that I dont play with the mg4 and still have good recoil control at locker ranges)

Your crosshair doesnt move when you shoot

Also since when does battlefield have recoil

he is dumping like 60 bullets to kill 3 guys lol

They both have the same crosshair movement. So either I have recoil hacks or youre not seeing recoil bc BF barely has any to begin with and bc of the way recoil is shown visually. Either way I can clearly see the recoil in his video and in mine. look at the edges of his screen they are shaking. Or why does his crosshair end up lower than when he started. IDK maybe bc he is pulling the mouse down. Or the fact that his mouse drifts to the side on shots. Just watch at 1:15 on his video thats called recoil and its more obvious bc he isnt barrel stuffing or jumping around or hipfire to ads.

and of course he is going to say its bc of editing. He is trying to make it look smooth with his editing. There will be no difference bc there is none.

Wasnt there this thread?

https://bf4db.com/forum/thread/onlyxera-no-spread-evidence-4992

How exactly is this any different. watch the video. Notice how the argument is that hey her mouse doesn't move all that much and not that she has no recoil or spread in her video. its almost like she doesnt bc its not that hard to have good recoil control.

@dougand

You branded that these clip has recoil but untaso's clip does't

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2h2oicMq8sg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LcGOkaSVqzc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTnnMS1j2l8

Then, can you explain the difference between these three clips and untaso's one in a theoretical manner?

If he use no recoil hack, his crosshair points at a single dot but it doesn't

No, I'm not going to defend him nor insist that he is not suspicious

His aim is fishy so I must check it via raw video that he will upload within 72h

But in the point of recoil, I'm sure his gun did recoil