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  • LordCh1ck3n
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    - https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/1252961970002765440/339571215/

    - https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/1252961970002765440/1954477833/


    Multiple reports from players and lengthy discussions by server-members Knackabags has been placed under suspicious gameplay by server admins and has been observed multiple times showing questionable gameplay. A report from a previoous moderator was locked without any chance of a response with included video evidence here - https://youtu.be/cfd2eUTMnt4 - If any additional Information is required, do not hesitate to respond. Could not acquire Knackabags battlereport as it has been set as hidden by user.

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    To also add, Knackabags himself also provided video of himself on server forums shooting pilots out of helicopter seats while under speed with questionable accuracy.

    - Video 1: https://streamable.com/ne4xuv

    - Video 2: https://streamable.com/ga7j9w


  • LordCh1ck3n
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    for battlereports use http://bf4cr.com/

    next time when reporting someone include the players bf4db link as well, like this https://bf4db.com/player/372424927

    As for the video evidence, this is stated in our ban policy:

    Video Evidence:

    • All video evidence should be a minimum of one minute in length, although two minutes is preferred to show the context of the video.
    • All videos must be unedited, with a preferred resolution of at least 720p.
    • Videos that are incomplete, muted, edited, modified, or not the original upload may not be used.

    From stats alone in the battereports there is absolutely nothing suspicious http://bf4cr.com/?pid=&uid=KnackaBags&cnt=200&startdate=

    The video (this one https://youtu.be/cfd2eUTMnt4) is inconclusive, there is no prior information whatsoever, it's cut in the exact moments of the battle engage, there is also no sound. We cannot accept this evidence


  • LordCh1ck3n
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    For sound - https://youtu.be/-8wiEKjszXg - also as per video length it is at 1:28, resolution can be changed in the video settings, video is edited as far as i'm aware however it is edited in parts to reduce sections of gameplay where in Knackabags was not currently being spectated.


    Edit: If possible I hope this information helps, if theres any extra information needed i'll do what I can to provide.

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Found Knackabags battle-report - https://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/1252961970002765440/372424927/ - thanks for the tools to help me find it. I hope this information helps.

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    For sound - https://youtu.be/-8wiEKjszXg - also as per video length it is at 1:28, resolution can be changed in the video settings, video is edited as far as i'm aware however it is edited in parts to reduce sections of gameplay where in Knackabags was not currently being spectated.


    Edit: If possible I hope this information helps, if theres any extra information needed i'll do what I can to provide.

    LordCh1ck3n
    No, you don't understand. THe cuts are done the way I can't make a decision if it's wh or not. TO establish the use of WH/ESP a certain pattern must be identified. Especially in cases when it's not obvious (obvious cases would be when a person is tracking a wall or something similar). In the moment where he shoots magnum through the smoke I can't see if he knew the person was there from before or not, there could be map or audio clues prior to that engage, same with the clip where he defibs a guy - a previous engage is removed, he could have seen where his teammate was killed from on the map and also see that the target didn't move and stayed there, then footsteps are heard in the game too, I can't tell if your friend was moving in that barn or not. All in all, from the clips on the YT video I cannot with 100% certainty say the person is using WH/ESP. It has to be a full round, preferably from his perspective, surely you can ask him to record a round of TDM with you again. Hope that's clear.

    When you are using clips you create a certain bias


  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Oh for WH we arent positive either as to if is along those lines, sorry if there was any confusion there as the report for wh was under the fact that there was a blanket of smoke and he clearly shot through it and knew where Maglightpacker was... as for asking Knackabags to record his gameplay, it wouldnt prove any use at all, as whatever program he may be using he can set off if he choses so evidence provided from him wouldnt be definitive either. Ill look into if theres any more footage without the group of edits, but from discussion from server-members including Maglightpacker and Cruelass, includeing from the one who was spectating they definitivley say that there was no spotting prior, maglight was outside of the barn and as Knacka knew where Maglight was and where he was sitting in the smoke, Maglight couldve been lying down yet Knacka knew his exact elevation to shoot towards and made the connection. It's highly questionable per discussion with other members and if need be Ill see if they have any extra footage as well from othher matches.

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Again, these are your words, I would need to see a full video.

    A video from his perspective would showcase his decision making and map/game awareness. One option I could recommend is for you to organize 2x2 or 5x5 tdm match where he is in one of the team, him recording the whole game and one person spectating (to make sure nothing is cut out). I take it he gets these weird WH/ESP like kills every game, so surely in that match he would have a few dodgy moments as well

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Ill see what we can do, in the mean time there is a couple of other members that have footage ill see what i can get from them. And again asking for footage from knackabags wouldnt prove conclusive as whatever programs that he may be running, he surely would have it turned off as he'd be aware of being under observation. The video provided above also was from his perspective as it was direct spectator footage. Full footage will be provided when possible.
  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Ill see what we can do, in the mean time there is a couple of other members that have footage ill see what i can get from them. And again asking for footage from knackabags wouldnt prove conclusive as whatever programs that he may be running, he surely would have it turned off as he'd be aware of being under observation. The video provided above also was from his perspective as it was direct spectator footage. Full footage will be provided when possible.
    LordCh1ck3n
    Such a video would provide a ground truth as to how the person plays presumably without anything turned on. As I said, it would show his raw unedited decision making, movement and aim, nothing more nothing less.
    I wasn't saying I disagree with you by the way. I merely need much more than what you offered. As I said, a pattern must be established and we must be absolutely 100% sure there is no other explanation to his kills apart from a cheat usage because there are way too many factors that can play, i.e. screen settings, Sweetfx, any graphical enhancements, sometimes you can also see through smoke from certain angles and conditions, etc


    I will of course ask other admins about their opinion, but please provide as much as you can and as unedited as possible with timestamps in those cases

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Sorry if i came by as hostile, wasnt my intentions but yes i understand what you mean and ill see what i can do footage wise if he'd be willing to provide said footage in the meantime. For settings he did end up in a call with us recently and explained that the only settings that he used were mouse sensitivity settings which gave us some red flags, i know that this doesnt help much but just to make it clear that he did end up having a chat with us and if possible ill check with the other members to get at list of the settings he uses per his explanation.


    Edit: I forgot to add but he has streamed footage before and he does stream often on our server on twich using the same alias. The only problem is he doesnt save previous streams.

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Not a problem, no worries, I understand it can be frustrating when something seems very obvious to you but not obvious to others :) I was just explaining why WH/ESP cases are often difficult and should not be judged from a compilation of clips (unless it's very obvious there)

    Just compile all the data your community has and your observation/experience and send it here, we will do our best to make our own judgement as well. Hope that helps

    P.S.: when he streams and you know it you can always record the screen on OBS and capture his gameplay

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Recent stream from last night that I did https://www.twitch.tv/videos/601176763 dunno if this does help, ill see if i can get any extra footage today from the other members pov's and ill see if i can get some from Knackas pov too.

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    When you submit lengthy videos please write down which timestamps are of interest as well. We do not have that much time in our lives to review an entire hourly footage. Hope you understand

  • LordCh1ck3n
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    Fair point, though the total length of the stream was around 2hrs 2 matchs of tdm ensued and both matches Knackabags stood on top.

    The first match was at 00:06:00, the second at 00:29:00 if that helps, ill dig through and give timestamps of particular poi's.